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Raymond.Wand
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Bill.Mullen
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 Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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I am wondering what positive intent
Mr. Wand could possibly have by posting these messages and the several
links therein.
He is providing leads to information that in most cases is woefully
outdated and in many cases has been changed. As anyone who has been
following the progression of the National Initiative is aware, the
official, final document has not been made public yet. To point people
towards these early, raw drafts is nothing short of misleading.
The information in the early drafts illustrated what some of the
requirements, etc. might have been. As more information was studied and
researched, the document experienced a few major transitions until it
reached its present final and fair state.
The CHIBO Committee has finished its work of devloping the National
Certification Program for Canadian Home Inspectors. The correct, final
document will soon be released.
Bill Mullen RHI |
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Bill.Mullen
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Raymond:
1) You are a 'Retired RHI' and must display that if you use RHI behind
your name although you insist on telling the world you are in fact an
RHI.
2) You are NOT a member of CAHPI.
3) Even someone like you knows that 'Prevaricate' means to 'Lie'. Since
you are clearly calling me a liar I will give you 24 hours to rescind
that statement and apologize.
4) Congratulations on your new membership in NACHI. You certainly
deserve each other.
5) There are many, many messages on a few forums in which you encourage
others to try to cause problems for the hard working volunteers who
have been trying to better the futures of qualified Canadian Home
Inspectors by developing the National Certification Program.
6) If you were not out to derail the National Initiative, perhaps you
can tell us how your recent letter to Joe Fontana's office helped the
Initiative proceed. Luckily, the program stands up to any and all
scrutiny, so your complaints were treated as they should be. Sorry, but
your evil plan backfired, because it just gave everyone involved more
reason to ensure that CAHPI is unquestionably the Voice of Canadian
Home Inspectors. Stay tuned for some big announcements of good news for
CAHPI and all credible Canadian Home Inspectors.
Bill Mullen RHI (legitimately)
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Raymond.Wand
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Mr. Mullen for your information I
posted all these links as a courtesy to the members of OAHI and as a
repository of all current information, whether outdated or not! It is
much more information than you or CAHPI have been willing to provide at
any point in time on this forum or to the membership. I don't ever
recall seeing or reading anywhere on this site or anywhere else
including CAHPI website all the info that is available as provided by
the links.
You have been consistent in stating both on this forum and others that
I am out to derail the National and CHIBO, and any other notion that
you can seem to fit into your myopic agenda. You have a tendency to
make statements which you cannot back up. That means you are
prevericating in order to try and discredit me. That seems to be in
violation of the Code of Ethics and the Forum Rules, and I am surprised
at your comments considering your role as appointed spokesperson for
CAHPI as Director of Strategic Alliances.
Now do you really want this thread to deteriorate to your level or do
you want to be helpful? Please also refer to page 5 of previous posts
entitled "The National."
Who is misleading whom?
Thank You.
Raymond Wand RHI and Member of CAHPI
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Bill.Mullen
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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I ask all valid members of CAHPI
Ontario to take note that Raymond Wand is blatantly claiming to be an
RHI when his actual status is 'Retired RHI'
I also want everyone to note that he claims to be a member of CAHPI
when in fact there are NO individual CAHPI members.
This is in absolute violation of our bylaws.
His branding me as a Prevaricator is a violation of the terms of this
forum and is also subject to litigation which will be initiated
tomorrow. I am fed up with his thumbing his nose at our VALID Canadian
Associations and I am no longer going to stand by while he dumps on the
good people who work as members as volunteers.
He is a proud member of some American club that purports to have
something to do with Home Inspecting. They are certainly meant for each
other. He feels they are much superior to our Canadian associations, so
it makes me and many others wonder why he just doesn't leave us alone
and help them do their dream weaving.
Bill Mullen RHI
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Raymond.Wand
423 Posts
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Firstly I don't believe you to be an
authority on the by-laws of Oahi. So if you have any concerns or
questions as to your statements and allegations you have made I suggest
you file with A) The DPPC and B) Your lawyer. As you recall I was
Chairman of the DPPC and I am well aware of the By-laws.
As to posting public domain documents as a respository for others who
may be interested in CHIBO and the National. There is no law preventing
me from posting such topical links. Members have the right to read and
draw their own conclusions. How you can even promote the idea my post
was misleading is ridiculous. These links hopefully have stirred others
into assessing and formulating questions. You have purposely turned a
information session into you personal vendetta circus.
I would be remiss not to point out you do not control my freedom of
association as defined in law, nor my free speech that I have
endeavoured to do by providing informative links.
As to my membership in any other organization that is my business
personally, and a business decision, it is not any of yours.
Thank you.
Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
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Dave.Bottoms
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Bill,
Word of advice: Don't waste your breath on this pantload. He's done
nothing but trash OAHI and CAHPI on his U.S. NACHO forum for months and
frankly, should be booted right out of this legitimate professional
Canadian HI association.
Check out all he's got to say about OAHI and CAHPI. Of particular
interest is the fact he's posting links to entire threads from this
forum. So much for a closed and private members-only forum (see page 9
of the following link).
http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=14865&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
And lets all congratulate him for finally coming clean about working
for Nick and NACHI at the detriment of our Canadian associations.
http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=15466
A word of advice to all who post here: watch what you say because it
could end up on NACHI's public U.S. forum courtesy of R. Wand, Retired
RHI. He has ZERO respect for your privacy here.
Dave
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Dave.Bottoms
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Oh, and by the way, Raymond, you are NOT
and RHI. You are a Retired RHI. Stop misleading everyone into
thinking you hold a title when in fact you do not. If I can draw your
attention (once again) to the July OAHI Newsletter, where the OAHI
Ethics Committee made the following statement to its members:
quote:
One
issue that keeps coming up concerns retired members that continue
practice. I would draw your
attention to the OAHI By-law article 3.3(e)(2) which states: “Retired
Members” shall be persons who: are not active performing inspections.
If you are a retired member and are performing inspections you are
required to update your
membership and pay the required fees to become an active RHI. Failure
to do so will result in disciplinary action
being taken against you in accordance with the OAHI Bylaws.
If you want to call yourself an RHI, then pay the full membership fee
like all the other RHIs have to. Or stop lying about it here and on
your website. Misrepresenting your credentials to the public is
blatantly unethical. Better yet, get lost; NACHI deserves you.
Dave |
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Raymond.Wand
423 Posts
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Thank you Mr. Bottoms for your
enlightening post.
You should forward all complaints and allegations and speculation to
the DPPC or your lawyer.
You obviously are ignorant of the laws and the the by-laws. I suggest
along with Mr. Mullens you provide specific proof of your statements.
And the particular sections of the by-law.
Considering you have threatened me on numerous occassions and have been
reported to the police I find your lack of ethics and accussations most
disturbing.
Raymond Wand RHI
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Dave.Bottoms
96 Posts
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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All I know is this:
1. You renewed last year not as an RHI, but as a Retired RHI at a much
discounted membership fee.
2. You still claim you are an RHI here, on your U.S. NACHI website and
to the general public on your own website.
3. It's an insult to all those RHIs who pay full price to use that
acronym while you lie about it in order to skirt paying your proper
dues.
4. The OAHI Ethics Committee has made it crystal clear that what you
are doing is wrong, yet you still continue to perpetrate your little
pretence.
You need to take a class in ethics 101.
You know, if you hate OAHI and CAHPI as much as you claim on your U.S.
NACHI forum, then maybe it's time you put your money where your mouth
is and quit. Seems rather hypocritical that you trash OAHI and all its
hard-working volunteers day in and day out on your U.S. NACHI forum yet
still maintain your OAHI/CAHPI membership year after year, wouldn't you
say?
Bottom Line: Either stop lying about your credentials and pay the full
membership fee like everyone else, or get the hell out. If it were up
to me you wouldn't be afforded the first option.
Dave |
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Raymond.Wand
423 Posts
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Mr. Bottoms
Clearly you are not in a position to teach anyone anything about ethics.
I have rights and will excercise them. Just as you have the right to
file a complaint. I have a right to be a member and use RHI as defined
in PR 158 and the By-laws. I also have the right to due process. If
anyone is suggesting my rights be forfeited or infringed upon without
due process there will be serious ramifications. I suggest you brush up
on the law with regards to members rights as enshrined in PR 158 and
Oahi by-laws and the Constitution which you hold in disdain.
Thank you.
Raymond Wand R,H.I.
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Dave.Bottoms
96 Posts
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :
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Just because you have rights doesn't
making lying to the public about your credentials "right," now does it.
The bylaws also don't tell the membership not to steal from the houses
we inspect. Based on your twisted and flawed logic, then it must be
okay to steal, since it's not clearly addressed in the bylaws.
Ethical and professional business people don't need a list of rules to
tell them right from wrong. Some things shouldn't have to be spelled
out. Lying about your credentials so you can hold a membership at a
much discounted rate while all your OAHI brethren pay the full rate is
unethical and disgraceful and an abuse. Don't need bylaws to spell that
out. At least I don't. You, on the other hand, obviously do. That's a
shame.
As far as me taking it up with OAHI or whomever, our Ethics Committee
has already issued a stern warning about your abuse. Why don't you read
it an act on it instead of trying to come up with idiotic loopholes to
justify your blatant lies and lack of ethics?
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Raymond.Wand
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Posted - 09/14/2005 :
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quote:
Just because you
have rights doesn't making lying to the public about your credentials
"right," now does it.
The bylaws also don't tell the membership not to steal from the houses
we inspect. Based on your twisted and flawed logic, then it must be
okay to steal, since it's not clearly addressed in the bylaws.
Ethical and professional business people don't need a list of rules to
tell them right from wrong. Some things shouldn't have to be spelled
out. Lying about your credentials so you can hold a membership at a
much discounted rate while all your OAHI brethren pay the full rate is
unethical and disgraceful and an abuse. Don't need bylaws to spell that
out. At least I don't. You, on the other hand, obviously do. That's a
shame.
As far as me taking it up with OAHI or whomever, our Ethics Committee
has already issued a stern warning about your abuse. Why don't you read
it an act on it instead of trying to come up with idiotic loopholes to
justify your blatant lies and lack of ethics?
Dave
Edited by - Dave.Bottoms on 09/13/2005 22:02:31
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Mr. Bottoms.
I again ask you to substantiate via the by-laws the specific sections
which you claim make me a liar, and provide substance to your
statements. You have not done so and don't appear to be able to do so.
In regards to the by-laws they don't explicitly explain that Associate
Members should not utter threats, intimidate, or harass. Nor would I
expect the Editor in Chief of the Canadian Home Inspector Magazine to
display his ignorance of the rules, and how to report fairly and
accurately without the need to lie.
For the record I have not had any letters from the DPPC in regards to
this issue. It seems the only people who have a problem are you and Mr.
Mullens. And also for the record I don't think the DPPC is in any
position to chase me for unfounded allegations when there are other
outstanding issues that I have never had the pleasure of a reply.
I also wonder about your status as an Associate Member. You are not
actively inspecting as you are a full time contractor. You have been in
the Assoc. category for well over the 3 year limit. It certainly seems
to me you should be in the Retired category, and appear to be
misrepresenting yourself on your website.
You will be happy to know that I plan on renewing with Oahi and I will
again renew under the Retired category and will join whatever
association I please. There is nothing you can do about it so you might
as well live with it.
It is unfortunate that you and Mr. Mullens continue to carry this
hatred onto this board which is set up for the dissemination of home
inspection information. This forum was moving along very nicely and
getting members back on and discussing inspection issues. Now you two
have high jacked it. Neither one have you have oontributed anything
here other then your hot air.
Now either go through proper channels with your complaint or close the
hole beneath your nose.
Raymond Wand RHI and member of CAHPI.
Alton, ON
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Dave.Bottoms
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Posted - 09/14/2005 :
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quote:
I
again ask you to substantiate via the by-laws the specific sections
which you claim make me a liar, and provide substance to your
statements. You have not done so and don't appear to be able to do so.
It's really quite simple: 1. You claim you are an RHI here, on your
U.S. NACHI forum, and on your website. 2. In actuality, you do NOT
hold the membership status of RHI, you gave that up when you renewed as
a Retired RHI. Duping the public into thinking you hold the
title of RHI when you do not is what makes you a liar. I don't need
bylaws to tell me that, nor should you. You are setting an extremely
poor example for new members. You are also thumbing your nose at those
legitimate RHIs who have paid full membership fees to hold that title.
As for the rest of your blathering, sorry but I refuse to let you try
to distract everyone from the fact you are lying about your credentials.
When I search your name on OAHI's website to see if you are an RHI,
here's what I find:
http://www.oahi.com/PUBLIC/listinspectors.asp?method=lastname&search=wand
But on your own website you claim to be an RHI:
http://www.raymondwand.ca/credentials.html
That's all the evidence I or anyone else should need.
As far as you renewing again as a Retired RHI, you are not
retired. That membership status is reserved for those not performing
inspections, which we all know you are. I would once again draw your
attention to the recent notice by the OAHI Ethics Committee:
quote:
One
issue that keeps coming up concerns retired members that continue
practice. I would draw your attention to the OAHI
By-law article 3.3(e)(2) which states: “Retired Members” shall be
persons who: are not active performing inspections.
If you
are a retired member and are performing inspections you are required to
update your membership and pay the required fees to become an active
RHI. Failure to do so will result in disciplinary
action being taken against you in accordance with the OAHI Bylaws.
Why, exactly, do you feel that you are free to operate outside of our
ethical guidelines? If I were to hazard a guess, I think you are hoping
to waste the memership's money by forcing OAHI to take legal action to
get you to stop lying about your membership status. That's why you keep
inviting me and others to lodge a complaint to the DPPC. I think you
are hoping to be able to brag to your NACHI club how you forced the
OAHI to waste money on lawyer fees much like Roy Cooke Sr keeps
bragging about how he tried to bankrupt OAHI with legal fees.
Dave |
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Raymond.Wand
423 Posts
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Posted - 09/14/2005 :
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Mr. Bottoms
If you are so sure of your allegations, and facts, please for the
umpteeenth time file a complaint.
Does the Association lawyer Mr. Segal know what is going on here? It
seems I am being ridiculed and being judged here without due process
and contrary to the by-laws. Is Mr. Bottoms now spokesperson for the
DPPC and BOD it sure looks that way.
Thank you.
Raymond Wand
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