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Dave.Bottoms
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Raymond.Wand
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 Posted - 09/21/2005 : 23:30:27
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Mr. Bottoms,
No need to point out where you have lied, you have done that all by your lonesome! You sure do have a knack for it... I'll give you credit for that!
Personal attacks, I don't think so... you have a knack for threatening; that supercedes personal attacks. Besides you started throwing the broken bottles, I am just throwing them back at ya. I guess you don't like it when the truth is told about you eh?
Many people may not like that I am supposedly abusing the system as you state, but knowing your propensity to lie I doubt many others than yourself are concerned. Also if they feel I am abusing the system why are you their spokesperson? Haven't they got any fortitude to do it? Why are you letting yourself be used to do what they cannot do themselves? When you say many have a problem with my alleged abuse do you mean the BOD or members at large? I think it is some on the BOD who have a problem.
As to making a name for myself well I am sorry you are envious of my success and business. Eat your heart out bud!
I am still waiting for an explanation as to why someone like yourself would stoop so low to act in the manner you have? Do you have a learning disability that hinders you from knowing right from wrong? It sure seems that way.
You can ask all the questions you want, just don't expect any answers you are not the inquisitor!
Now do you want to discuss the National and the links to all those documents which provide an insight into the manner in which the final release evolved, or do you wish to carry on as you have been?
Raymond Wand R.H.I
Member Since 1991
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Bill.Mullen
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Posted - 09/21/2005 : 23:39:27
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R. Wand said:
"It may also be a good idea if you stopped stating you are the voice of the Canadian Home Inspectors, it seems you are not a spokesperson for anything other than your ability to spread falsities."
Mr. Wand. In your zeal to replace a valid Canadian association with your adopted American club you have lost the ability to read. I have never once claimed to the the Voice of Canadian Home Inspectors. Clearly, the tagline says:
"CAHPI - The Voice of Canadian Home Inspectors
That looks pretty easy to understand to me. However, you as usual have managed to twist and turn it to suit your pitiful attempts to hurt the Canadian inspectors.
Your campaign of misinformation and outright lies is hurting every valid Canadian inspector.
On the other hand, every word I have said about this National Initiative has been truthful and honest, and said in the best interests of our Canadian brethren. You and your American buddies can carry on your campaign of hatred and lies.
I will leave it to Canadian Home Inspectors to judge who has been more helpful.
Bill Mullen RHI (Not just pretending like Mr. Wand)
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Raymond.Wand
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 00:45:43
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Mr. Mullens,
Thanks for the clarification, sorry for misquoting the tag line and thanks for the correction.
Once again you have made comments that seemingly are without merit. How am I hurting Canadian Inspectors? By being astute enough to read public documents, assess and formulate opinions? By speaking with people at FNNBOA? Am I not allowed to read and render opinions and seek answers? How in the world is that hurting Canadian Inspectors? I am lost on that comment. Am I now suddenly at fault for perhaps being more astute, literate, and non apathetic?
You state that my campaign of misinformation and outright lies is hurting every valid Canadian Inspector. But, you have not been able to demonstrate that point with hard factual evidence that I am misleading and that I am lying! I don't see how I can be lying when the documents speak for themselves. Really you need to face the reality that this whole thread is not about the National but your need to make stupid unfounded statements based on your animosities.
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On the other hand, every word I have said about this National Initiative has been truthful and honest, and said in the best interests of our Canadian brethren. You and your American buddies can carry on your campaign of hatred and lies.
I don't think you have been truthful, I have documents here where you say one thing privately and another publicly. Others have read them too and have copies. You have a credibility problem - big time!
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I will leave it to Canadian Home Inspectors to judge who has been more helpful.
Judging by your lack of ability to debate the matter and personally attack me, I am sure any astute, savvy, intelligent member can see for themselves what you are all about.
By the way how come you haven't condmened Mr. Bottoms actions? You seem to be aiding and abetting and condoning his litany of abuses?
Does the CAHPI lawyer know that you are acting unethically and contrary to the CAHPI by-laws and ethics? Is he aware that you have slandered and defamed me? I might just have to push that issue further with the CAHPI's lawyer. You two sure know how to incur liability. It sure is strange how the CEO of CAHPI is aware of these matters and how a private email fell into my lap which suggests that CAHPI management is well aware of the threats and intimdidation, yet they do not want to deal with a very profound and disturbing problem. It has overtones of negligence and a failure to act with a standard of care owed considering the circumstances. My, my what a tangled web...
You seem to have had your fair share of trouble with Oahi and the DPPC too, maybe you would like to explain that to the members as it relates to hurting the inspection industry and its image? Maybe you would also like to explain how your Better Business Bureau status doesn't help with the industry image either. You seem to be a one man show on how to sully the reputation of the Canadian industry.
Now if you want to discuss factual and informative info about the National I am all ears and await a lively discussion.
Thank you.
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
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Dave.Bottoms
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 07:37:57
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Originally posted by Raymond.Wand
Mr. Mullens,
By the way how come you haven't condmened Mr. Bottoms actions? You seem to be aiding and abetting and condoning his litany of abuses?
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
Alton, ON
What litany of abuses, for crying out loud??? All I've stated is that you are a Retired RHI who is lying to the public on your website by claiming you are an RHI. That's not very ethical, and OAHI has issued a notice about such actions. That's it.
Pointing out how you are abusing the system is hardly a litany of abuses.
By the way, in one of your earlier lengthy diatribes, you stated: "As to making a name for myself well I am sorry you are envious of my success and business. Eat your heart out bud!"
Hmmm.... I thought you were retired? Interesting.
Dave
P.S. You still haven't answered my earlier question regarding the OAHI DPPC notice. Either you are misinterpreting the bylaws or they are. So which is it?
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Raymond.Wand
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 08:24:36
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Bottoms give it a rest! You keep telling everyone about the abuse but you seem to have a problem with your own abilities to act ethically. Obviously you have no morals and have no remorse, sane rational people would not be doing what you are doing. I think you require professional help.
For the record and to be factual you were reported to the police on March 13/05 to
Constable Beaton
Badge No. 11320
Occurrence No. OPO5048206
Caledon OPP Detachment
How come you find it necessary to send emails laced with profanities in addition uttering threats? Your questions are irrelevent given the severity of your actions.
As to all your other irrelevent questions, you can figure it out for yourself, you seem to know everything!
Out to inspection, later....
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
http://www.raymondwand.ca
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Dave.Bottoms
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 09:22:20
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Originally posted by Raymond.Wand
As to all your other irrelevent questions, you can figure it out for yourself, you seem to know everything!
Out to inspection, later....
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
http://www.raymondwand.ca
Just because you are unable to answer my questions without admitting you have been duping the public on your website and abusing the OAHI rules doesn't make them any less relevant.
Anyway, it's been fun, but you obviously have no defence or explanation to justify your unethical actions, which is why you keep replying with nonsense in a desperate bid to distract from the issue at hand. Since all you seem to be able to offer is more unfounded personal attacks, I think we can safely say this thread is stalled.
I won't be responding to your nonsense again, until you answer the question I posed earlier. Here it is again in case you've forgotten.
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It all comes down to one of the following:
1. Retired RHIs are permitted to continue inspecting and continue calling themselves RHIs, as you suggest, or...
2. Retired RHIs should not be actively performing inspections, and if they decide to start back up should immediately upgrade to RHI status once again, as stated by Tom Lloyd, Chair of the DPPC. So which is it? It can't be both, obviously. If you are right, then the DPPC is wrong. If the DPPC is right, then you are abusing your membership privileges.
Cheers, and good luck on your inspection, Mr Retired RHI.
Dave
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Raymond.Wand
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Posted - 09/22/2005 : 10:07:02
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You are nobody. I don't answer to you because you are a nobody!
However you seem incapable of rational behaviour, unlike you I have been able to factually prove you are a habitual liar and a deranged individual and I consider you dangerous as do others. As to personal attacks you and Mr. Mullens started this when you both allowed your personal hatred and animosities to surface in this innocuous thread. You have no one to blame for the deterioration of this thread by you and Mullens.
I don't think you can respond to anything with logical and factual replies and documentation. You haven't been able to yet so why change? I guess Oahi must be pretty desperate for volunteers if they need people like you and the powers that be ignore their own forum rules.
You continue to mistate and misrepresent Pr 158 and the by-laws anyone who is literate can read for themselves what they state. If you want the by-law changed in regards to the current by-law I suggest you call for a Special Meeting as permitted in the by-laws and table a revised by-law so that you can try and get your own way. That is called Due Process, alternatively lobby the BOD to pass a resolution to change the by-law as permitted and have the change ratified at the next AGM, that too is Due Process.
For the record and to be factual you were reported to the police on March 13/05 to
Constable Beaton
Badge No. 11320
Occurrence No. OPO5048206
Caledon OPP Detachment
Now take you misguided baloney and your lack of morality and shove it.
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
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